Legislature(2023 - 2024)BUTROVICH 205

05/01/2023 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:32:21 PM Start
03:32:26 PM Presentation(s): Area M Overview, Part Ii
04:42:09 PM Adjourn
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-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
Overview: Area M Fisheries by
Chief Brian Ridley, Tanana Chiefs Conference
Frances Leach, Area M Seiners Association
Kiley Thompson, President, Area M Seiners
Association
Curt Chamberlain, Assistant General Counsel,
Calista
Virgil Umphenour
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                       ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                               
                 SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                          
                             May 1, 2023                                                                                        
                              3:31 p.m.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Cathy Giessel, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                          
Senator  James Kaufman                                                                                                          
Senator  Forrest Dunbar                                                                                                         
Senator Matt Claman                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Vice Chair                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  AREA M OVERVIEW~ PART II                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 68                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to public notice for a sale, appropriation, or                                                                 
removal of water, or for filing a declaration of a right of                                                                     
water; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
See Senate Resources Area M Overview Part I on April 28, 2023.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN RIDLEY, Chief/Chair/President/CEO                                                                                         
Tanana Chiefs Conference                                                                                                        
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided invited testimony during Part II of                                                              
the Area M Overview.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
FRANCES LEACH, Lobbyist                                                                                                         
Area M Seiners Association                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Presented   a PowerPoint  relating  to  the  Area                                                       
M Salmon Fishery.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
KILEY THOMPSON, President                                                                                                       
Area M Seiners Association                                                                                                      
Sand Point, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented  a  PowerPoint   relating  to  Area  M                                                       
Adaptive Fleet Management Strategies 2022-2023.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS CHAMBERLAIN, Assistant General Counsel                                                                                   
Calista Corporation                                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Provided  invited  testimony  during  Part II  of                                                       
the Area M Overview.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR, Member                                                                                                        
ADF&G Fairbanks Advisory Committee                                                                                              
Alaska Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                        
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Provided  invited  testimony  during  Part II  of                                                       
the Area M Overview.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
3:32:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   CATHY  GIESSEL   called   the  Senate  Resources   Standing                                                        
Committee  meeting  to  order  at 3:31  p.m.  Present  at the  call  to                                                         
order  were  Senators  Dunbar,  Kaufman,  Claman,   Kawasaki,  and  Co-                                                         
Chair Giessel. Co-Chair Bishop arrived thereafter.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  Area M Overview, Part II                                                                                     
              PRESENTATION(S):  AREA M OVERVIEW, PART II                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:32:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL  announced  Part  II  of the  Area  M Overview.   She                                                         
invited Chief Brian Ridley to begin his testimony.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:33:39 PM                                                                                                                    
BRIAN     RIDLEY,    Chief/Chair/President/CEO,       Tanana    Chiefs                                                          
Conference,  Fairbanks,  Alaska,  provided  invited  testimony  during                                                          
Part  II of the  Area M  Overview.  He stated  that he  comes from  the                                                         
Native  village   of Eagle   that  is  on the  Yukon   River  near  the                                                         
Canadian  border.  Most  of  his  Native  family  lives  in  Canada  so                                                         
it's  a  big  concern  that  escapement   goals  into  Canada  are  not                                                         
being  met. He  reported  that  he was  also representing   the Alaska                                                          
Federation   of  Natives   and   the  574   tribes  of   the  National                                                          
Congress   of  American   Indians  who   see  the  struggling   salmon                                                          
populations  as  a prioritization   of business   and money  over  food                                                         
on every table and the preservation of 10,000 years of                                                                          
traditions. He continued with the following prepared testimony.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Why  are  you  hearing  so  much  about  Area  M this  year?                                                               
     Why  are we  having  an entire  hearing  on this  one issue?                                                               
     Why  can't  we leave  these discussions   to the  folks that                                                               
     sit  on the  Board of  Fish? First  let  me say that  Area M                                                               
     was  shut  down in the  early  '70s to  protect the  Bristol                                                               
     Bay  fishery.  So  to me,  that set  a precedence   in doing                                                               
     exactly   what  you're  being  asked  to  do down  there  in                                                               
     Juneau.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     I   cannot  stress   enough   to  you   our  lawmakers   the                                                               
     requirement   of  the  Board  of  Fisheries   to  prioritize                                                               
     sustainable   salmon  fisheries  management  and  reasonable                                                               
     opportunities    for  customary   and   traditional   salmon                                                               
     fishing  over  commercial  fishing.  And  the failure  to do                                                               
     so absolutely warrant legislative action.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     In  every  other  fishery   in Alaska  except   Area  M, the                                                               
     policy   and practice   of the  Alaska  Board  of  Fisheries                                                               
     and  ADF&G  is  to  close  commercial  fishing   on a  stock                                                               
     when  escapement  and  subsistence  needs  are not  going to                                                               
     be  met.  This  is  a  foundation  of  the  sustained  yield                                                               
     principle    found   in   the  Alaska    Constitution,   and                                                               
     precautionary    management   found   in   the   sustainable                                                               
     salmon  fisheries  management   policy.  Sustainable  salmon                                                               
     management   is  crucial  to  the  resource  itself  and  to                                                               
     the  37  federally   recognized   tribes  and  other  Alaska                                                               
     Native  organizations   that the  Tanana  Chiefs  Conference                                                               
     serves.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Salmon  represents  wellness  in  our communities.   We come                                                               
     to  these  hearings  and  commissions   and talk  about  our                                                               
     way  of life,  about  empty smoke  houses  and a  generation                                                               
     of  lost children  who  only know  how to  cut fish  when we                                                               
     ship  them  a  box  of  fish  we  buy  from  the  commercial                                                               
     fisheries.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:36:38 PM                                                                                                                    
     You   had  the  opportunity   to   hear  from  Commissioner                                                                
     Vincent-Lang   on   Friday.  He  spoke   to  you  about  the                                                               
     science,   scientists,   and  the  data;  all  of  which  he                                                               
     claims   support  the  decision   that  the  board  made  in                                                               
     February.   What  the  commissioner  failed  to  mention  is                                                               
     that  sustainable  salmon  management  is  written  into the                                                               
     Alaska   Constitution.   The  commissioner   will  tell  you                                                               
     that   the   decision   made  on   Area   M  represented   a                                                               
     compromise.   But  that  compromise  was  only  between  the                                                               
     processors   and   the  seiners.   A  compromise   that  had                                                               
     nothing   to do  with  the Yukon  River  and  everything  to                                                               
     do  with  the  Board  of  Fish handing   over  the reins  to                                                               
     commercial interests.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:37:27 PM                                                                                                                    
     In   that   February   meeting,   the  board   adopted   the                                                               
     Adaptive    Management   Plan,   with   gives   away   board                                                               
     authority   to Area  M  seiners  and  processors  to  manage                                                               
     their  own  season.  A transfer  of the  board's  authority.                                                               
     This  plan  is  without   precedent  in  the  salmon  world.                                                               
     The  only  remotely   similar  plan  was  the  Chignik  Coop                                                               
     from   '02 to  '05.  That   plan  resulted  in  the  Grunert                                                               
     litigation   and the  Alaska Supreme  Court  concluded  that                                                               
     the   board,  did  not   have  the  authority   to  let  the                                                               
     private sector self-regulate their fishery.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     This  Area  M  plan  puts  the proverbial   fox  in the  hen                                                               
     house.  There's   no incentive   to not  chum  chuck  if the                                                               
     fleet   feels  they're   intercepting   too   many  chum  in                                                               
     relation   to  the  sockeye-directed   fishery.  The  Bering                                                               
     Sea  pollack  industry  has 1oo  percent  observer  coverage                                                               
     on their boats for this very reason.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The   transfer   of  board  and   department  authority   to                                                               
     private   enterprise   is  precisely  why  the   legislature                                                               
     needs   to reassume   their  authority  over  the  Board  of                                                               
     Fish.  The  seiners  will tell  you  that we  need  to trust                                                               
     the   board.   That  there's   nothing   to  see   here.  In                                                               
     instances   of unanimous   or nearly  unanimous   decisions,                                                               
     maybe   that's   warranted.   However,   in  this   instance                                                               
     board    members    expressed    discomfort    about    this                                                               
     decision.   Ultimately,  only four  members  voted  to allow                                                               
     the   self-regulation   or  self-policing   of  one  of  our                                                               
     natural    resources   to   the   industry,    calling   the                                                               
     arrangement a handshake and a prayer.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  responsibility  to  protect  this resource  is  on you,                                                               
     the  legislature.   You delegate  to  the  commissioner  and                                                               
     he  has  delegated  the  board  who  has  delegated   to the                                                               
     only  people   who stand  to  benefit.   So your  agent  has                                                               
     prioritized   commercial   fishing   in  Area  M  above  all                                                               
     else   -  over  escapement,   over  sustained   yield,  over                                                               
     subsistence,   when  subsistence   is  supposed  to  be  the                                                               
     top priority.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     On  April  25th,  Representative   Louise  Stutes  expressed                                                               
     the   opinion   that  the   legislative   body   should  not                                                               
     override   boards,   claiming   it   will  destabilize   our                                                               
     whole   state  government  [and]  that  if  we  are  unhappy                                                               
     with   the  decision   made  by  the  Board   of  Fish,  our                                                               
     remedy is to change the board.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:40:02 PM                                                                                                                    
     With  all  due  respect  to  the  member  from  Kodiak,  the                                                               
     Board  of  Fisheries  and the  Board of  Game are  unique to                                                               
     the  many  boards and  commissions  in the  state  of Alaska                                                               
     in  that  they are  managing  a resource  on  behalf  of all                                                               
     Alaskans.   They're   not  the  same  as  a  board  that  is                                                               
     regulating   other  licensed   professionals  or  acting  in                                                               
     an  advisory  capacity.  It is  absolutely  the duty  of the                                                               
     legislature   to  ensure   that  these  boards   are  making                                                               
     decisions   that are  legally  defensible  and  in  the best                                                               
     interest of all Alaskans.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     PCC  understands  that  the interception   of our  salmon in                                                               
     Area  M  and  salmon  bycatch  in  the  Bering  Sea  Pollack                                                               
     fishery  alone  are not  to blame  for the  collapse  of our                                                               
     chum  and  king salmon.  However,   on the  Yukon River,  in                                                               
     particular,   the   situation   has  become   so  dire  that                                                               
     we've   reached  the  point  where  every  single  chum  and                                                               
     Chinook salmon matters.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The  more  than 18,000  people  served by  PCC already  have                                                               
     taken  the  ultimate  sacrifice  by not  fishing for  salmon                                                               
     and  not  practicing  our ways  of  life for  years.  Area M                                                               
     fishermen   have  many  other   fishing  opportunities;   we                                                               
     have   none.   It's   time  that   all   Alaskans   and  our                                                               
     neighbors   from  other  states  that  make  up  the  Area M                                                               
     commercial   fleet,  join  us  in  conservation  efforts  to                                                               
     rebuild our salmon populations.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     As  you move  past  this hearing  into  budget discussions,                                                                
     keep  these   words  in your   mind:  Interior  Alaska  fish                                                               
     equals    wellness.   It   is   part    of   the   education                                                               
     discussion,   part   of  the  permanent   fund   discussion,                                                               
     part   of   the   mental   health   and   criminal   justice                                                               
     discussion.   To say  that salmon  is a way  of life  is not                                                               
     an exaggeration.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:42:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAWASAKI  asked  for  a description   of  the Tanana  Chiefs'                                                          
region  and  how important  the  fishery  is  to the  people  who  live                                                         
on the  river.  He added  that he believes  that  people  need to  hear                                                         
the story  about  the boxes  of fish  that were  shipped  to people  in                                                         
these communities because there were no fish in the river.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF  RIDLEY  described   the  region  as  roughly  the  size  of  the                                                         
state  of Texas.  It  runs  from the  Canadian  border  to  nearly  the                                                         
west  coast.  There are  42 tribes  and  tribal  organizations  in  the                                                         
region  and  most  of  the  population  lives   on the  river  system.                                                          
They  are  highly  dependent  on  the  fish.  It's  more  than  a  food                                                         
source  because  there is  a major  cultural  element  associated  with                                                         
catching,  cutting,  hanging,  and smoking  the  fish. This  is shared                                                          
and   taught   and   handed   down   through   the   generations.    He                                                         
highlighted  that  the  region spends  close  to  $1 million  per  year                                                         
supporting  the  commercial  fisheries  to get  fish to  the region  so                                                         
it  shouldn't  be said  that  the region  doesn't  support  commercial                                                          
fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   GIESSEL  asked   him  to  talk  about   how  the  Board   of                                                         
Fisheries   members   are   selected   and  whether   the   seats   are                                                         
designated.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:46:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF  RIDLEY  replied   that  he was  not  aware  of  any  designated                                                          
seats,  but  that  would  be welcome.   He commented   on  the heavily                                                          
politicized  nature  of  the board  and  his growing  concern  that  it                                                         
wasn't likely to change without legislative intervention.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR    GIESSEL   said    she's   thought    a   lot   about    the                                                         
appointments,   diversity,  and  whether  all  voices  are  heard.  She                                                         
thanked him for his testimony.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL  invited  Francis  Leach  to the  witness  table  and                                                         
noted she had a PowerPoint.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:47:57 PM                                                                                                                    
FRANCES   LEACH,  Lobbyist,   Area  M  Seiners  Association,   Juneau,                                                          
Alaska,   stated  that  she  works   with  both  the  Area  M  Seiners                                                          
Association  and  concerned  Area M  fishermen.  She relayed  that  she                                                         
was  asked  to speak  about  Proposal   140 and  why  it  didn't  pass.                                                         
She  began the  presentation  on  slide  2, "Area  M Salmon  Fishery,"                                                          
and made the following points.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
similar The majority of the Area M commercial   fleet  is composed   of                                                         
   year-round Alaska residents.                                                                                                 
similar Many of these fishermen   are  Alaska   Natives   who  utilize                                                          
   commercial fishing to meet their subsistence needs.                                                                          
similar The Area M fishery targets sockeye.                                                                                     
similar The issue of incidental catch of  chum  salmon  is  taken  very                                                         
   seriously;  the   fleet  is  taking  precautions   to  reduce   chum                                                         
   harvest.                                                                                                                     
similar Fishermen took a voluntary 61  percent  reduction  in  fishing                                                          
   time in  2022 to  allow  chum salmon  to migrate  through  the  Area                                                         
   M region.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:49:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  LEACH  advanced  to  slide  3, "Alaska   BOF Proposal   140,"  and                                                         
provided the following comments:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
similar Proposal 140 sought to close commercial salmon  fishing during                                                          
   specific  times during  Area M's  June fishery  to try  to get  more                                                         
   chum salmon up the AYK river system.                                                                                         
similar Only a small number of AKY chum salmon pass through Area M.                                                             
similar Proposal 140 replicated the 2001-2003  ADF&G  Management   Plan                                                         
   that  increased  chum harvest   and had  no noticeable   benefit  to                                                         
   AYK chum stocks.                                                                                                             
similar After the regulation was changed in 2004,  the  AYK  again  saw                                                         
   returns of 2 million plus chum salmon.                                                                                       
similar The four members who voted   against  the   proposal  felt   it                                                         
   couldn't   guarantee    increased    chum    passage   during    the                                                         
   designated windows.                                                                                                          
similar The board felt that data driven caps, triggers, and windows  in                                                         
   the  adaptive   management   agreement    would  more   effectively                                                          
   measure when chum were in the area.                                                                                          
similar The decision was based   on  science   presented   during   the                                                         
   meeting.                                                                                                                     
similar Sampling data indicated that about  17  percent   of  the  chum                                                         
   harvested  in the June  Area M  fishery  were from  coastal western                                                          
   Alaska.                                                                                                                      
similar The Area M harvest of coastal   western  Alaska   chum  is  5.5                                                         
   percent  of  the  total  harvest   and  escapement  in  the  Yukon,                                                          
   Kuskokwim, Bristol Bay, and Norton Sound areas.                                                                              
similar An ADF&G report by Dr. Kathrine Howard  attributed   the  Yukon                                                         
   chum  salmon  decline  to  the heat  wave  during  their  2016-2019                                                          
   ocean years.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:52:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  LEACH   advanced   to  slide   4  and  spoke   to  the  following                                                          
measures   that  the  Board   of  Fisheries   took  to  mitigate   chum                                                         
harvests in Area M when it adopted the amended Proposal 136:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     22% REDUCTION                                                                                                            
     First fishing period shorted by 22%                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     CLOSURE 2.4 TIMES LONGER                                                                                                 
     Closure between 1st & 2nd is 2.4 times longer                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     25% LESS FISHING TIME                                                                                                    
     Second fishing                                                                                                             
     period shortened by                                                                                                        
     25%                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     CLOSED AN ENTIRE AREA                                                                                                    
         Closed Sanak Island Section & Unimak District to all                                                                   
     gear types                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LEACH briefly  displayed  slide  5  and explained  that  it  shows                                                         
the  difference  between   pre  and  post  Board  of  Fish  actions  on                                                         
Area M.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:53:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.   LEACH  advanced   to   slide   6,  "Additional    Actions,"   and                                                         
provided the following comments:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
similar The Board of Fisheries recognized   that   the  Area  M   fleet                                                         
     voluntarily implemented a Cooperative Management Agreement.                                                                
similar 100 percent of the fleet agreed  to share  all  harvest   data,                                                         
   monitor chum harvest in-season, and change fishing areas when                                                                
   directed to provide an opportunity for more chum salmon to                                                                   
   pass through Area M.                                                                                                         
similar This adaptive approach is better than fixed closures  as a  way                                                         
   to ensure fewer chum salmon are harvested in the South                                                                       
   Peninsula Fishery.                                                                                                           
similar The Board of Fisheries adopted triggers and caps for the  south                                                         
   Unimak and Shumagin Island sections.                                                                                         
similar ADF&G will restrict fishing time and close  areas if  the  caps                                                         
   are exceeded.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She   deferred   to   Kiley   Thompson   to   discuss   the   Adaptive                                                          
Management Plan.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:54:52 PM                                                                                                                    
KILEY  THOMPSON,   President,   Area   M  Seiners  Association,    Sand                                                         
Point,  Alaska,   presented  a  PowerPoint   relating  to  the  Area  M                                                         
Adaptive  Fleet  Management   Strategies  that  were  adopted  in  2022                                                         
and  overseen  by the  Alaska  Department  of Fish  and  Game (ADF&G).                                                          
He began  on  slide 2,  "Overview  of  Strategy  for 2022,"  and  spoke                                                         
to the following:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
         The goal of this was to provide time for passage of                                                                    
           chum salmon through Area M in June, while still                                                                      
     optimizing a sockeye fishery.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Concept                                                                                                                  
         • Use near real-time data to monitor and reduce chum                                                                   
        harvest in Area M June salmon fishery                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Execution                                                                                                                
          • Fishermens Board managed time/area closures that                                                                    
        changed through June in response to fishing reports                                                                     
        from processors                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Results                                                                                                                  
     • Led to >50% reduction in chum harvest in June 2022 when                                                                  
        compared to June 2021                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:56:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  THOMPSON  advanced  to slide  3,  "Involved  Organizations,"   and                                                         
provided the following comments:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
similar A seven-member board of active fishermen  used  daily  reports                                                          
   from processors and the fleet to make near real-time decisions                                                               
   on fishing times and area for all 60 seine boats in Area M                                                                   
   during June.                                                                                                                 
similar A cooperative test fishery with ADF&G assessed  the  abundance                                                          
   of chum salmon in three locations in the South Peninsula for                                                                 
   two days before and the first day of the June fishery.                                                                       
similar The seine fleet lost the first day of  the  fishery  to better                                                          
   assess the abundance of chum salmon.                                                                                         
similar The test fisheries showed  a  decreasing   abundance  of   chum                                                         
   salmon, which allowed a partial day of fishing on June 11 to                                                                 
   assess chum salmon harvest with the entire fleet fishing.                                                                    
similar Later the management board announced time reductions  based  on                                                         
   the previous day's harvest.                                                                                                  
similar As the season progressed,   individual    fleets   stood   down                                                         
   separate from the fleets in other locations.                                                                                 
similar This only works with the flexibility of time  and  area,  fleet                                                         
   management, cooperation, and responsive reporting.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:57:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  THOMPSON  briefly  displayed  slide  4,  "RC104  Improvements   in                                                       
the  Adaptive  Fleet  Management   for  2023,"  and  advised  that  the                                                         
Area  M  seiners  and  Aleutians   East  Borough  created   an  app  to                                                         
improve  data  tracking,   which  will  increase  the  speed  at  which                                                         
decisions   can  be  made  and  relayed  to  the  fleet.  He  directed                                                          
attention  to  the  graphic  on  slide  5  that  shows  the  home  page                                                         
that  captures  aggregate   fleet  data  in real  time.  He  explained                                                          
that  the numbers  in red  represent  sockeye  salmon and  the numbers                                                          
in  green  represent  chum  salmon.   The  data  is updated   every  30                                                         
minutes  to  reflect  ADF&G  or processor   e-landings.  In  the  event                                                         
that  chum  salmon  harvests  are  too  high,  the  board  selects  the                                                         
yellow  "Closure"  button  on  the top  left  of the  screen,  and  the                                                         
fleet  is  notified  of  the closure  via  email  and  they  must  stop                                                         
fishing.  The  green  "standdown"   button  on the  top  right  of  the                                                         
screen  is for  on-the-ground-reports.   If a  group of  fishermen  see                                                         
an  influx  of chum  salmon,  they  can  select  that  button  to  show                                                         
that  they  are voluntarily   standing  down  to allow  chums  to  pass                                                         
through  the  area.  Slide  6  illustrates  that  the  beginning   time                                                         
and  ending  time  in a  region  is  recorded  for  both  closures  and                                                         
standdowns.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:59:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  THOMPSON  concluded  that  the  commercial  fishermen  in  Area  M                                                         
are  committed   to  decreasing   the  harvest   of  chum  salmon.   He                                                         
opined  that   the  bills  to  shut   down  the  entire  Area   M  June                                                         
fishery  don't  even  align  with Proposal   140. They  seek  to  close                                                         
the  North   Peninsula  and  Nelson   Lagoon  salmon   fisheries   that                                                         
don't   harvest  any   western   Alaska   chums.  They   will  have   a                                                         
devastating  impact  on  communities  and  the economy  in  the region                                                          
with little benefit to AYK chum salmon.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:59:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR   asked  for  his  thoughts  on  how  to  prevent   the                                                         
practice  of  chum chucking  and  how people  who  aren't  part of  the                                                         
fishery can be assured that it's working.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THOMPSON   said  the  enforcement   arm  of  the  department   has                                                         
drones  that  are  operating   all  the time  so  the  fishermen   know                                                         
their  activities   are being  monitored.   He  added  that  it's  most                                                         
important  to  stop  the  fishing  in  locations  where  there  are  so                                                         
many  chum salmon  that  it potentially  encourages  a  poor decision.                                                          
Last year the fleet didn't fish when the chums were in the area.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:01:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  LEACH   added  that   while  there   may  have   been  some   chum                                                         
chucking,  it  is not  the standard  for  the seine  fleet  in Area  M;                                                         
commercial fishermen don't support wanton waste.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:02:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   KAWASAKI   asked  for   an  explanation   of   the  Adaptive                                                          
Management Plan.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THOMPSON  said  it  was  voluntary  in  2022  and  there  was  100                                                         
percent  participation.   Peer  pressure  kept  participants   in  line                                                         
in  2022, but  in  2023 fishermen   must sign  a  contract  with  their                                                         
processor  agreeing  that  they  won't  chuck  chum  or fish  wherever                                                          
they  want.  The  stiffest   penalty  for  a  fisherman  who  violates                                                          
that  contract is  the loss  of their  market  until the  end of  June.                                                         
The  processor   won't   buy   the  catch.   This  is   part  of   what                                                         
encouraged   the   Board   of  Fisheries   to   accept   the  Adaptive                                                          
Management  Plan.  To  a further   question,  he  clarified  that  this                                                         
is  not  in regulation.   It's  a  commitment  and  agreement  between                                                          
the  Area  M Seiners   Association  and  concerned   Area M  fishermen                                                          
and  their processors.   ADF&G  will provide  oversight  and  has  said                                                         
it  will  close   the  fishery   if  the  fleet   doesn't  uphold   the                                                         
agreement.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KAWASAKI   asked  whether  the  processors   would  refuse  to                                                         
buy  fish  from fishermen   who don't  participate   in the  agreement                                                          
or who fish outside the windows.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMPSON  replied  that  the processors  have  said  they will  not                                                         
take fish  from a  fisherman who  doesn't  participate  in the plan.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KAWASAKI commented that the plan is no longer voluntary.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THOMPSON   confirmed  that  it  was  voluntary   in  2022  and  is                                                         
mandatory in 2023.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:06:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAUFMAN  wondered  about  the  upload  and download  coverage                                                          
in Area M for fishermen to use the new app that was described.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THOMPSON   said  the  app   was  developed   after  Starlink   was                                                         
introduced  so  every  fishermen  is  able  to  use the  app  on  their                                                         
phone  to   access  the  e-landing   system.   Part  of  the  contract                                                          
fishermen   will  sign  waives  confidentiality   with  the  e-landing                                                          
system  so  data  from  all  the  boats  can be  aggregated.   The  app                                                         
will  report  how  many  chums  are  harvested   and  where  they  were                                                         
harvested.   He  said   technology   is   finally  coming   to  remote                                                          
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KAUFMAN said he appreciated the explanation.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:08:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR  commented  on  how  secretive  fishermen  tend  to  be                                                         
about  where  they're  fishing  and what  they're  catching.  He  asked                                                         
if everyone  would  know where  all  the Area  M fishermen  are at  all                                                         
times.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMPSON  said  the South  Peninsula  covers  about  200 miles  and                                                         
the entire  fleet  will operate  in  just five  or six  spots, so  it's                                                         
not a big secret where people are fishing.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:09:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN  noted  that a  criticism  he heard  about  the seven-                                                          
member   board   that   was  formed   in   2022   was  that   it   only                                                         
represented  commercial  fishing  interests.  He  asked  why it didn't                                                          
include one or two people who represented subsistence interests.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THOMPSON  said he  understands  the  criticism  but  this program                                                          
is designed  to  have as  much information  as  possible  about what's                                                          
going  on  in  this  area   so  every  member  is  out  on  the   water                                                         
actively fishing on a commercial vessel in the area.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:11:25 M                                                                                                                     
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  asked  if  the  cooperative  management   team  would                                                         
consider  adding  an ex officio  member  from  the Yukon  and from  the                                                         
Kuskokwim  to  the  team  as  a good-faith   effort.  He  said  Area  M                                                         
fishermen  certainly  aren't  immune  to  what's  happening  to people                                                          
on  the river  system  and  they shouldn't   think  for a  moment  that                                                         
it  couldn't   happen  to  them  at   some  time  in  the  future.   He                                                         
continued   to say,  "We're   all  trying  to  get  to  a place   where                                                         
hopefully  our  salmon  runs  don't  go extinct;   it's that  critical                                                          
and you know that."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  asked  Ms. Leach  to  talk  about  the EZ  zone  and  the SeaShare                                                          
program and whether it was applicable to Area M.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:13:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  LEACH  suggested  he  ask  the  Alaska  Department   of  Fish  and                                                         
Game (ADF&G); she didn't know anything about that.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:13:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  asked  why  somebody   theoretically  chucked   chums                                                         
in the past.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.   THOMPSON   said  chum-chucking    was  the   result   of  having                                                          
management   caps,  which  can  result  in  bad  decisions.   He  noted                                                         
that  the board  set  triggers  to prevent  the  problems  that result                                                          
from overharvest.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  asked  for  the  difference  in  price  between  chum                                                         
salmon  and  sockeye  salmon   and  if fishermen   catch  both  at  the                                                         
same time.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THOMPSON  replied  that  both  species  are  caught  at  the  same                                                         
time,  but  the  price  for  chum  salmon  in  Area  M  is  always  the                                                         
lowest  in the  state.  Last year  it  was $0.25/pound.   He said  they                                                         
don't  make   a  lot  of  money  but   they  help  pay  for  fuel.   He                                                         
recalled  that  the price  last  year for  sockeye  salmon  started  at                                                         
$1.25/pound.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  asked  Mr. Leach  how  much science  was  behind  the                                                         
comment  on  slide  3  that  the  2016  to 2019  heat  wave  decimated                                                          
Yukon chum salmon which affected the 2021-2022 runs.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. LEACH  said  that came  from Dr.  Katherine  Howard's  report  that                                                         
was  distributed  during  the  Area  M  meeting.  She  noted  that  the                                                         
devastation   made national   news  in 2019  when  chum  washed  up  on                                                         
the  banks of  the Yukon.  This  attracted  the  interest  of a number                                                          
of scientists.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:16:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAWASAKI  asked  how  many  chum  salmon  were caught  during                                                          
the reduction in 2022.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMPSON stated that 544,000 were caught.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KAWASAKI   asked  how  many   were  caught  the  year  before                                                          
that.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMPSON replied the catch was 1.6 million.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KAWASAKI   asked  how many  sockeye   salmon  were  caught  in                                                         
those two years.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMPSON  estimated  that  3-3.5  million  sockeye were  caught  in                                                         
2021  and 5.5-6  million  sockeye were  caught  in 2022.  He said  that                                                         
sockeye   fishing   was  more   successful   when  fewer   chums   were                                                         
caught.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL thanked Ms. Leach and Mr. Thompson.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:17:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL invited Curt Chamberlain to testify.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:17:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CURTIS    CHAMBERLAIN,    Assistant    General    Counsel,    Calista,                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska, provided invited testimony during Part II of                                                                 
the Area M overview. He read the following prepared testimony:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Good  afternoon.    My name  is  Curt Chamberlain   speaking                                                               
     on   behalf  of   Calista  Corporation.   I   am  a  Calista                                                               
     shareholder   and  a member  of  the Aniak  Tribe.    I grew                                                               
     up  living  off  the  land and  commercial   fishing  in the                                                               
     middle   Kuskokwim  until  the  industry  collapsed   in the                                                               
     mid 90s.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     I  want to  start by  addressing  the criticisms   that came                                                               
     to  Proposition   140  and  more  specifically   to SB  128.                                                               
     The  largest   complaint  was  of  the  impact  closing  the                                                               
     fishery   would  have  on  the  Aleutian  Peninsula.    They                                                               
     worried   of   schools  closing,   outmigration,    and  the                                                               
     boroughs    and   communities   losing   much   needed   tax                                                               
     revenue.     We at  Calista   aren't  deaf  to  those  grave                                                               
     concerns.    In fact,  we have  been living  that  nightmare                                                               
     for  the  last  3  decades.   The  economy  in  the  Calista                                                               
     region   has crashed   along  with  the salmon   population.                                                               
     Our  region   has  the  highest  unemployment   and  poverty                                                               
     levels   in  the  state   and  nation.    Communities   have                                                               
     dwindled,   outmigration  is  rampant,  particularly   among                                                               
     the  young,  and  our  communities  are  suffering.    In my                                                               
     region,   the  middle  Kuskokwim,   the  native   population                                                               
     declined   by  1/3  over   the  last  10  years.     Crooked                                                               
     Creek's  population   has declined   by half  over  the last                                                               
     20  years  and  its school  is  now  in danger  of  closing.                                                               
     Georgetown   is  now populated   by one  household  and  the                                                               
     tribe  is  looking  for a  way to  motivate  people  to move                                                               
     back  into  the  community.     Many  students  must  attend                                                               
     boarding   schools  away  from  their   families.  With  the                                                               
     loss  of  the  youth  comes  the  loss  of  the  traditional                                                               
     safety   network  inherent   in  many  native  communities,                                                                
     along with the loss of language and culture.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:19:41 PM                                                                                                                    
     The  Aleutian  peninsula,  however,  need  not worry.   With                                                               
     nearly  $2.8  billion  in  economic  output  resulting  from                                                               
     commercial   fishing,  the  Aleutian  Peninsula  dwarfs  all                                                               
     other  regions  of Alaska.   It  controls  2 of the  largest                                                               
     4  fishing  ports  in  the  world,  including  the  largest,                                                               
     Dutch  harbor,  which  has  held  that  honor  for the  last                                                               
     24  years.   The Aleutian  peninsula  has  other  fisheries,                                                               
     including   herring, groundfish,   cod, and  crab to  name a                                                               
     few.   It  is the is  the only  region  where salmon  is not                                                               
     its  primary   fishing  export,  and  even  without  salmon,                                                               
     the  Aleutian  peninsula   would  still  be the  top  volume                                                               
     fishery  in  Alaska.   The Yukon  and Kuskokwim   rivers, by                                                               
     comparison,   have  only  one fishery:   Salmon.   And  last                                                               
     year,   these  two  regions   were  the  only  ones  in  the                                                               
     state   closed   to   commercial   fishing.   The   Aleutian                                                               
     peninsula   is far  better  suited  to  endure  the  closure                                                               
     of its salmon fishery than the Calista region was.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     This  last  week  I was  asked  if  it's appropriate   to go                                                               
     to   the  legislature   if  you're   unsatisfied   with  the                                                               
     board  of  fish's decision.    Naturally,  the answer  would                                                               
     be  no.   However,  when  special  interests  run the  board                                                               
     and   the  board  ignores  its   constitutional,   statutory                                                               
     and  regulatory  mandate,  it  becomes appropriate   for the                                                               
     legislature    to   implement   statutory    guardrails   to                                                               
     ensure its intent is adhered to.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:21:17 PM                                                                                                                    
     The    underlying    problem    with   the   fisheries    is                                                               
     structural.    Despite  a clear  and unambiguous   statutory                                                               
     subsistence   priority   which   has  been  upheld   by  the                                                               
     Courts,    this   priority   is   illusory.      While   our                                                               
     commercial   fishing harvest  is  at or  near historic  high                                                               
     levels,    our   in-river   salmon    runs   statewide   are                                                               
     suffering   due   to  overfishing    and  competition   from                                                               
     hatchery   salmon.    The  nearly   120k  residents  of  the                                                               
     Yukon   Kuskokwim  Watershed   are  without   a  subsistence                                                               
     option,    and    there   are   subsistence    restrictions                                                                
     impacting   nearly  every  Alaskan  statewide.    The  Board                                                               
     of   Fish   customarily   has   three   commercial   fishing                                                               
     seats,    three   sportfishing    seats,    and   only   one                                                               
     subsistence   seat,  though  some  governors   have  ignored                                                               
     that  custom  in favor  of special  interests  in  the past.                                                               
     Chief   Ridley  already  went   into  great  detail  on  the                                                               
     failures   of  the  Board  of  Fish.     The  current  state                                                               
     management   of fisheries  is pro  commercial  fish  and pro                                                               
     hatchery,   which  has  catastrophic   consequences   to  in                                                               
     river   salmon   runs.   The   Department   of  Law   openly                                                               
     advocated   to the  Board of  Fish  that it  had no  duty to                                                               
     limit   harvest  in  Area  M to  protect   the runs  in  the                                                               
     terminal   fisheries,   despite  the   fact  that  in  2021,                                                               
     Area   M  harvested  over  a  million   chum.    The  courts                                                               
     failed   to  enforce  the  legislature's   mandates  in  the                                                               
     Native   Village  of  Elim  Decision.    What  we  are  left                                                               
     with  is  a  subsistence   priority  that  is  nothing  more                                                               
     than  window  dressing.    The  coastal  commercial  fishing                                                               
     industry  essentially   runs the  state  fisheries,  leaving                                                               
     subsistence   and  sport  fishermen  to  fight  over  what's                                                               
     left, if anything.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:23:38 PM                                                                                                                    
     The  last  article  I've  attached  to the  record  outlines                                                               
     the   distrust   between  the   subsistence   users  in  the                                                               
     Yukon  and  Kuskokwim  rivers  in  the  1990s.   Since  that                                                               
     time,   salmon  stocks  in  the  Yukon  and  Kuskokwim  have                                                               
     declined   an  additional  90  percent.    There  can  be no                                                               
     argument   that this  fishery  is  being  managed  properly,                                                               
     or   that  the  subsistence   users  are  being   adequately                                                               
     represented.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     If   we're  to  fix  what   is  wrong  with   our  fisheries                                                               
     statewide,   we  must  implement   adequate   guardrails  to                                                               
     ensure subsistence is protected.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Finally,   with  respect  to the  importance   of salmon  to                                                               
     our  region   and  the  impact  of  its  collapse,  I  would                                                               
     like  to invite  the  members  of this panel  to  our region                                                               
     to  see  its  effects.    It's  nearly   impossible  to  put                                                               
     into words.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:24:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP   thanked  Mr.  Chamberlain  for  his  testimony.   He                                                         
relayed  that  earlier  he  suggested  the  members  of  the  Board  of                                                         
Fisheries   visit   the   people  who   live   along  the   Yukon   and                                                         
Kuskokwim  rivers  and  the  committee  visit  Area  M so  everyone  is                                                         
able  to get a  firsthand  look at  the situation  because  this  issue                                                         
will not be solved in isolation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERLAIN   agreed  that in-person  visits  would  be beneficial                                                          
and appreciated.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL thank Mr. Chamberlain.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:26:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   GIESSEL   invited    Virgil   Umphenour   to   provide   his                                                         
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:26:46 PM                                                                                                                    
VIRGIL  UMPHENOUR,   Member,   ADF&G  Fairbanks   Advisory  Committee,                                                          
Fairbanks,  Alaska,  provided  invited  testimony   during  Part II  of                                                         
the  Area  M Overview.   He stated  that  he  owns  a fish  processing                                                          
plant  in Fairbanks  and  had processed  fish  on the Yukon  River  and                                                         
other  areas  since  1985.  He served   three terms  on  the  Board  of                                                         
Fisheries   (BOF)  and  has  been  a  member  of  the  Pacific  Salmon                                                          
Commission  since  1988. He  opined  that what  the BOF  did in Area  M                                                         
during  the last  meeting  was  to cede  authority  to the  processors                                                          
to serve  as the  managers.  He described  the  joint  venture fishery                                                          
and  what happened  after  the  200 mile  limit  because  effective  to                                                         
emphasize  that it  doesn't work  to let  the fleet regulate  itself.                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He  relayed  that as  a fish  processor,  he  fills  out  fish tickets                                                          
and  reports  the numbers  and  species  of fish  that were  caught  to                                                         
ADF&G.  Me maintained   that the  large  volume of  fish  that seiners                                                          
catch  is  not  conducive   to  timely  counting  when   they  come  on                                                         
board  the   vessel  or  when  the  tender   sucks  them  off   with  a                                                         
vacuum.  The  fish  aren't  counted  until  they're  delivered  to  the                                                         
processor  and  it's  doubtful  that  the  fish  from  each  vessel  is                                                         
kept  separate.  He said  it's this  kind of  situation  that resulted                                                          
in statehood.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:30:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  UMPHENOUR  discussed  the  Board  of Fisheries  deliberations   in                                                         
1995  on the  proposal  to  cut  the chum  cap  for Area  M.  His  view                                                         
was that  there  hadn't been  a sustained  yield  chum  salmon fishery                                                          
in the  northern  Norton  Sound  region  for four  years,  but not  all                                                         
board  members  agreed.  He  said he  decided  to  write  a definition                                                          
for  "sustained  yield"  but  as the  effort  gathered  momentum   over                                                         
five  years  it  transitioned  to  a  sustainable  salmon   policy.  He                                                         
said  he wanted  to read  from  the statute  the  department  wrote  in                                                         
1990 to address this issue.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:31:51 PM                                                                                                                    
He  read  portions  of  AS 16.05.251.   Regulations  to  the  Board  of                                                         
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     (e)....    The  board   shall   adopt   criteria   for   the                                                               
     allocation   of   fishery  resources   and  shall   use  the                                                               
     criteria    as   appropriate   to   particular    allocation                                                               
     decisions. The criteria may include factors such as                                                                        
           (1) the history of each personal use, sport,                                                                         
     guided sport, and commercial fishery;                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  UMPHENOUR  recounted   the  history  of  the  fishery  in  Area  M                                                         
starting  with  the  codfish   fishery  in  the  late  1800s  to  early                                                         
1900s.  Commercial  fishing  in the  Yukon drainage  and  Norton  Sound                                                         
started  with  the  Russians  and  continued   when  the US  purchased                                                          
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:33:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. UMPHENOUR read Sec. 16.05.251 (e)(2).                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
           (2) the number of residents and nonresidents who                                                                     
        have participated in each fishery in the past and the                                                                   
             number of residents and nonresidents who can                                                                       
     reasonably be expected to participate in the future;                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  recounted  the number  of  residents  and non-residents   who  have                                                         
commercial   fishing  permits   in  the  area.  The  total  is  2,222,                                                          
roughly  300  of which  are  in  Area M  but  he only  knows  about  70                                                         
seiners  that have  been  fishing recently.  He  said he's  also  aware                                                         
that   there   are  a   lot   more  subsistence    and   personal   use                                                         
fishermen;   in  the  Fairbanks   area  alone   there  are  more   than                                                         
100,000.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:34:46 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. UMPHENOUR read Sec. 16.05.251(e)(3).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
           (3) the importance of each fishery for providing                                                                     
        residents the opportunity to obtain fish for personal                                                                   
     and family consumption;                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  said this  is  super  important  because  there's  no  opportunity                                                          
to obtain  salmon  in the  Fairbanks  area; it's  a catch  and release                                                          
salmon fishery.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. UMPHENOUR read Sec. 16.05.251(e)(4).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
           (4) the availability of alternative fisheries                                                                        
     resources;                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He  said  there   is  no  alternative   fishery   other  than  perhaps                                                          
Norton  Sound  that has  a small  king  crab fishery.  In  2021 Area  M                                                         
had  225   non-salmon   fishing  permits,   many   of  which  are   for                                                         
groundfish.  He  relayed  that  he was  on the  BOF  in 1997  when  the                                                         
groundfish   fishery  was   developed  in  state   waters.  The   board                                                         
instituted   a 20-pot  limit   to "keep   the big  boys  from  Seattle                                                          
out."  He also  described  writing  a Tanner  Crab Management  Plan  in                                                         
1998.  To ensure  sustainability,   fishing  was  limited  to daylight                                                          
hours  and a 20-pot  pot  limit was  instituted.  He highlighted   that                                                         
the  Kodiak  part of  that  fishery  is the  largest  crab  fishery  in                                                         
the  state  now. The  harvest  in  Area  M this  last  winter  was  1.7                                                         
million  crabs  and the  fishermen  got  paid $3/pound.  He  said  this                                                         
is  to illustrate   that  there  are a  lot  of other  fisheries   that                                                         
the AYK doesn't have, especially the Yukon and Kuskokwim.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. UMPHENOUR spoke to Sec. 16.05.251(e)(5) and (6).                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
           (5) the importance of each fishery to the economy                                                                    
     of the state;                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
           (6) the importance of each fishery to the economy                                                                    
         of the region and local area in which the fishery is                                                                   
     located;                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  UMPENOUR   reported   that  in  2021  the   average  income   from                                                         
salmon  for  Area M  seiners  was  "some $701,000   for maybe  6  weeks                                                         
fishing."  He relayed  that  he wrote  Proposal  140 in  2001 that  did                                                         
away  with  the  chum  cap.  He called   them  a ridiculous   waste  of                                                         
time   because  anybody   threatened   with   the  closure   of   their                                                         
business  if  the cap  is  exceeded  will not  be  inclined  to report                                                          
those fish.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL asked him to wrap up his testimony.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:39:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. UMPHENOUR read Sec. 16.05.251(e)(7).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
           (7) the importance of each fishery in providing                                                                      
     recreational      opportunities     for    residents     and                                                               
     nonresidents.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He highlighted   that Area  M can boast  that  a Vietnam  veteran  from                                                         
Fairbanks caught the world record halibut at Dutch Harbor.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:40:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP   asked  whether  the  Yukon  River  fishermen   still                                                         
opposed in-river incubation hatcheries.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. UMPHENOUR   replied that  there's  still  little support  for  that                                                         
idea.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL thanked Mr. Umphenour for his testimony.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:42:09 PM                                                                                                                    
There  being  no  further  business  to  come  before  the  committee,                                                          
Co-Chair   Giessel   adjourned    the   Senate   Resources   Committee                                                          
meeting at 4:42 p.m.